Heavy Bicycles?

Those who take even a casual look at the massive columns for the Raccoon Creek bicycle crossing may be wondering just what sort of bicycle is expected. 

 

 

No, it is not the Village trying to outdo the amount spent on the Township’s garage. To be eligible for federal funds that are paying most of the cost the bridge had to be built to Ohio Department of Transportation (ODOT) standards.

The only portions of the bridge the Village was able to specify were the arched sides.

 

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I have a name for the bike bridge

Let’s call it Ugly. The Ugly Bridge.
 
The new wood cattle fence wonderully enhances the bridge’s oversized unattractiveness. Putting the ugly side out, for all to see, is an especially thoughtful touch. Since it’s a competition to see how ugly and expensive we can make the bridge, I suggest that the bridge’s cement floor, which is merely unattractive, be covered with a red plaid fabric from Honduras to make it truly hideous. Red plaid mixed with blue plaid seems an appropriate clash with the striped rails.
 
What a lovely Gateway to Granville is being created! Cut down big trees. Plant small ones. Build an ugly bridge — oops, The Ugly Bridge. Rezone the land for Pizza Huts, fast food and parking lots. 
 
Such vision.  Why didn’t people in Granville think of this before! Good enough for Pataskala. Good enough for Gahanna. Good enough for Granville.

dangerous bridge

well i wont call it ugly 
i would call it dangerous
i drove by yesterday and saw a small  confrontation with bikes and cars
the unfortunate is GOING TO HAPPEN 
there are just to many cars crossing the danger zone
per day every day 
lets really mix pedestrians with cars and  trucks
that people is by far the MOST DANGEROUS intersection
in town making it MORE DANGEROUS
i hope people look   4 WAYS  4 TIMES  before crossing
good luck…… what a terrible decision to put that " ugly "
bridge there
whats going to be ugly is the accident and lawsuit that follows 
 
WHOSE IN CHARGE HERE ? 

silly talk

Jack Lucks is moving forward because he wants to move forward. It has nothing to do with zoning or other land owners or the phase of the moon.

No doubt

…he wants to move forward, but it has everything to do with zoning.

Lucks is in line with what the village has wanted

I think YesMan may be right on this one. If you look at what Lucks is doing it is in line with where the village has been for years.

again .... just where is the

again ….
just where is the village on this one ?

major problems

the concern here on this corner is an obvious one

the look and operation of the area
one for traffic
two for style …………..
to load main street with 1000s more cars
is a HUGE concern
forget the parking situation
having just one …….car
truck
or bus
stopping on main street now is a MAJOR PROBLEM with traffic flow as it is
creating back ups………
lets load a two lane road with 1000s more cars daily ……
police emergencys
fire emergencys
just one accident

its frightening

Village paths, Township inaction

You can’t claim the Village hasn’t done its job on paths if you know anything about the history of the issue. By contrast, the Township has been hostile to paths for years.

The Village has built paths and improved sidewalks consistently for decades. The Newark Granville Road path is the best known example. But there are many others, such as the paths through Bryn du (repaved by the Village last week at a cost of $45,000). The sidewalk to Wildwood Park is another. So is the path connecting South Pearl to the T.J. Evans bike path. The Village has required developers to build paths and sidewalks as part of site plan approval. (The Township has not done this.)

Let’s go back to the last time the Township built a sidewalk or path — 1972.

After the high school was built on New Burg in the 1960s, the Village worked studiously to get a sidewalk out there. The Village hired a consultant, had numerous public meetings and built a sidewalk on N. Pearl Street (over the opposition of some homeowners). Current Village Council member Deb Tegtmeyer’s father headed the effort.

The Village’s sidewalk couldn’t make it to the high school. It had to stop at the township border. The Trustees twiddled their thumbs and finally, looking foolish, reluctantly finished their small stretch to the high school.

That was in 1972. The Trustees haven’t built a foot of pathway since. Not one foot. It is absurd to claim any practical equivalency between the Village and Township on the issue.

Two years ago, I asked a Trustee about the much-discussed pathway on New Burg (in the township) to connect Granville Middle School to Granville Intermediate School. The Trustee told me: We don’t do pathways. (I gave him points for forthrightness!)

The Village has worked industriously on paths forever. The Township has done nothing — literally, nothing — for 37 years.

Trustee Fred Abraham has promised to give pathways a fresh look. I’ll believe it when I see it. The Trustees acquired Raccoon Valley Park 20 years ago. GIS has been open for 8 years. As usual, paths and sidewalks stop at the township border.

When are those paths coming, Fred?

Time to back up your words...

I’ve only lived here since 1973, so I’ll have to assume that you have been in town since at least 1972, so for the ‘good of the order’…

please provide evidence of

… the Township has been hostile to paths for years.”

… the Trustees twiddled their thumbs and finally, looking foolish, reluctantly finished their small stretch to the high school.”

… the Village has worked industriously on paths forever.”

It’s easy to put words on ‘paper’, but if you’re going to accuse folks of inaction or worse, please provide proof as to the credibility of such accusations.

I think most of us know that the village has been a strong proponent of the “build a bigger moat” / “I’m here, now close the gates” philosophy for years. Twiddling thumbs and obfuscation will prove to be a bitter pill when a prepared developer shows up. We’ve been lucky that no developer has taken the fight to court (well, except for Bob Evans, Super America and the Keny (park trails) development). Our record in court is abysmal, and will continue to be as long as we fight the emotional battle.

I’d tie this together with the village/twp relationship, but I think you get the point.

Not the way I remember it, Buckeye

I don’t believe Bob Evans ever took the village to court — they reached an agreement with the village on the development standards after winning an election by 6 votes.

The lawsuits over the Park Trails development were very successful and despite their cost to the school district, township and village, overall they saved taxpayers money by delaying the influx of kids from Park Trails.

It is true that the current village law director has lost a couple of law suits related to development. But that does not seem to be related to whether or not the village is on the same side as the developer. One was when he was fighting a developer and the other when he was fighting against citizens concerned about Cleveland Hall.

On the bike paths it is strange that the township has not created or added to any. Not certain how to explain it.

Oh, yeah… I have been here, or anywhere for that matter, since the 50s.

Thank you for responding

The Bob Evans debacle was in fact settled via referendum, which turned out as expected. Fighting approved zoning didn’t make much sense after the fact. The park trails issue was ridiculous. We got caught with our pants down, and tried to fight a legal issue from an emotional perspective - a loser every time. SuperAmerica turned us inside out, and relished in the victory.

With regard to the township building pathways… though it’s not their M.O., it sounds like they’re willing to consider the prospect. With that said, there really isn’t too much land for the township to work with. As the Open Space land acquisitions accumulate, maybe there is a play there, but historically, it’s not really that big of a deal.

Township and paths

Might it make sense to work on joining some of the open space with paths? Or to have path offshoots that go to this or that open space or park area?

On fighting approved zoning, that is exactly what happened quite successfully with Cleveland Hall.

Happy trails to you

When’s the last time the township has built a path or sidewalk extending a foot? I’ll make it easier, when is the last time the Trustees have built an inch of pathway?

Granville’s most pressing pathway needs — to schools, to parks, to ballfields, to residential neighborhoods — are in the township. Four decades of doing nothing kinda creeps up on you.

So instead of backing up your accusations...

you move the goalposts.

Thanks for helping advance the conversation.

Peace.

The Bridge to Somewhere

This bike bridge is an example of how the Ohio Department of Transportation has been an enormously wasteful and destructive force in Ohio — and how Granville has worked tirelessly, often at considerable expense, to counteract ODOT’s obsession with thoughtless planning.

Here’s the story:

When ODOT rebuilt the Main Street bridge a number of years ago, it removed the sidewalk from the bridge. The Village said, hey, why are you getting rid of the sidewalk? ODOT said, because. The Village said, hey, we’ll pay the extra $30,000 to keep the sidewalk. ODOT said, no can do.

Fast forward a decade.

Village finance director Molly Roberts successfully wins a federal grant, administered through ODOT, to build a bike bridge at the crossing where ODOT wouldn’t allow a cheap sidewalk. The grant calls for the federal government to pay 80% of the cost ($400,000) and the Village to pay 20% ($100,000). (The actual bid came in slightly under the $500,000 estimate.)

Because the bridge was funded by federal highway money, it had to be built in the highway right of way. That’s why it couldn’t be built further eastward, at a potentially more suitable location.

ODOT required that its engineers design the bridge based on traditional ODOT specs. That’s why the bridge was built so it could survive Hurricane Katrina, a nuclear blast and a meteor strike simultaneously. The bridge is too big, too wide, too expensive, too much of everything. It should arch over the creek and have no environmentally punishing posts intruding on the creek’s flow. But there wasn’t a darn thing Granville could do about it. ODOT had dictated: “Granville, you can never ever, safely get people across Raccoon Creek unless you do it our way.”

ODOT planned to make the bridge its typical, ugly, functional design, compatible with its ugly rebuild — Ode to Cement — of the Main Street vehicular bridge. The one thing ODOT let Granville do was pay an extra few thousand dollars for the bike bridge’s arched railing, which look rather nice, I’d say. (FYI: The bridge will keep the rusted iron look, by design, and isn’t scheduled to be painted.)

In other words, everything right about this bridge was done by Granville. Most communities give up because of the cost, the hassle, the stupidity of state and federal regulations. Granville doesn’t quit, and that’s why we’re the prettiest, most livable community in ODOTland.

Let’s remember what this Bridge to Somewhere connects. It doesn’t just link the Village to Lake Hudson, although that is enormously important. (Let’s not forget that Lake Hudson is the biggest lake in Licking County, excluding Buckeye Lake, which is 75% in other counties. Our county has very few natural resources and what we have needs to be treated like a treasure.) The bridge creates a path that will lead to the upcoming shopping center on the Shurtz property, to the River Road coffee shop and to our two major day care centers.

Most important of all, it links the community to Raccoon Valley Park, our largest sports facility. What type of community builds its ballfields at a location where not a single kid can get there unless driven in a car? (If you’re cynical, you might say, the same foolish community that builds a school in a soybean field on Burg Street where not a single kid can walk to it — but that’s another story!)

An 11-year-old kid on a bike should be able to get to Granville’s baseball fields. Plain and simple. And for an affluent community to take 20 years to get a path there is inexcusable (and a failing of the Granville Township Trustees. The connecting routes are in the township).

The exhaustive effort and ridiculous cost required to get this bridge built teaches us a lot about sprawl, childhood obesity and other issues. The fact that Granville persevered, at least through this phase, is a tribute to how we haven’t given up on making a community work.

The developer of the Shurtz property will extend the path to River Road (next year if things go well) at his expense. Then it’s up to the Granville Trustees to bring the path down River Road to the park. The new Granville Rec District has responsibility for extending the paths within the large park.

Long-term…the Rotary has pledged seed money to belp design a second bridge over Raccoon Creek to the park. That would connect the east side of town, along Newark Granville Road, to Raccoon Valley Park and create a loop connecting to the T.J. Evans bike trail.

Tiger Woods could hit a 5 iron from a home on Vill Edge Drive to the soccer field at Raccoon Valley Park. But for a kid on Vill Edge to pick up Tiger’s ball would require a three-mile drive in a car. You can’t get there from here, as New Englanders would say. Granville has hundreds of homes along Newark Granville Road, yet no kid has access to the nearby sports facility. Ridiculous.

The new bike bridge is one of Granville’s great successes. But it’s also a lesson in the many obstacles that are placed in the way of common sense, frugality, environmental sensitivity and simplicity.

no paint?

Would someone share with me the wisdom of NOT painting a $500k steel bridge placed in the rust belt.
Oh thats right ODOT paid for it so if it only lasts for a few years what the heck ;)

Didn’t cost us anything…

ballus   i believe someone

ballus
 
i believe someone told me a few years back that 
that kind of application actually  makes the steel stonger
if i can believe it ?
and also the bridge did cost the tax payers dough
yes man ran some numbers the opther day that i thought
might have been a little  lite
it is a nice looking thing i will say that

rust = corrosion = deterioration

No corrosion will strengthen the material being corroded to my knowledge. Weathering steel, best-known under the trademark COR-TEN steel, is a steel alloy designed to protect steel by forming a patina that is basically rust. So…it is not necessary to paint it or protect it like mild steel.
As I said in another thread I hope the bridge is this steel or it is just going to rust away.
It would be neet if we could just order our cars with no paint because they would grow stronger with all the rust.
I agree the design is nice, overkill but nice.
 
Submitted by BOBMARLEY on Sun, 10/04/2009 - 17:18.
"and also the bridge did cost the tax payers dough"
Disclaimer: Some things written or spoken by BALLUS FICTIOUS might contain sarcasm ;)
 
PS- found the editor
  

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Good Summary

Though this issue cannot be left soley at the feet of the trustees, I think you make some very valid points. The village has ignored and delayed so much of this progress over the last 12 years by focusing on keeping people out of Granville, that they lost focus on allowing people to move around in Granville.

It seems that both the village and the township are beginning to show signs of working together - and either entity will need to find some middle ground to continue to move forward together. So far it’s working, and the Gateway District (bridge included) is a great example. Hopefully, we’ll see more partnering in the future. It’s something from which we all stand to benefit.

Regarding the building specifications of the bridge. My guess is that it’s by design (think: future road improvements). Time will tell.

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Do Tell...

Based on village council minutes, the “Gateway District” zoning was agreed to by all land owners earlier this year. Any jettison politicking was done between separate parties to move the process forward, and did not utilize the approved zoning, but some hybrid thereof. I’m curious to learn which “landowners had been demanding from the village completely unreasonable zoning provisions”

Peace.

Bridge over the River Pi

For some reason the first picture reminds me of Spinal Tap.

da bridge to lake hudson

dude

its really a fabulous looking bridge so far
i really hope they keep the rust look
what about the lights ?

rust

I hope it is the kind of steel that is made to oxidize into a nice patina and that IS the finish.

However I doubt it. If it needs paint, why the heck wasn’t it painted prior to delivery???

It should have been powder coated or painted in a shop environment for a durable high quality finish with out all of the fuss and added expense doing the job on sight will.

It should have been made in Ohio.

I guess the folly of spending $500,000.00 on a bicycle bridge is supposed to feel better because the PUCO is paying?

How about we are the PUCO / GOVERNMENT, so we paid for this thing period. If Granville wants a bridge for bicycles how about Granville paying for it?

It is this “MAGIC FRIDGE” approach to government money that exacerbates fiscal problems.

bridge to high costs

ballaus

right on ….
i was going to say about the rust
that it eliminates the painting maintenence
and i think the true cost was over 1 million
and the village tax payers footing
excess of over 300 k of that
now there may be more costs involved when the saftey issue is addressed
after the fact
im sure there will have to be controls over the driveway where 1500 cars pass daily
there was another route planned behind the iga they should have routed it there
but all in all i think its a beautiful bridge …… i hope the lighting is as well

Safety

Good point about the safety issue. Should have been routed the way you say. The bridge encourages more ped/bicycle traffic through that busy intersection. It IS beautful. Paint it Ducati Red, or Harley Yellow Pearl; that way it will change color in different light.

Ohio

Yes, Fictious, should have been made (and painted ahead) in Ohio.